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Why Gay Marriage Failed in CA
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California Gay Marriage Ban - Prop 8:
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The measure was supported by black voters, 70 percent of
whom voted for Proposition 8. Lawyers for San Francisco argued in
court last year that California's ban on gay marriage should be
struck down just like the state's ban on interracial marriage was
reversed in 1948, when many Americans opposed such unions.
Lorri Jean, a member of the executive committee of the No on
Prop 8 campaign, said a last-minute mailing targeting black
voters by Proposition 8 supporters implied that President-Elect
Barack Obama supported the measure.
``That may have caused a shift in the votes'' said Jean.
``We didn't have enough time to respond to that.''
Obama opposed Proposition 8, yet that wouldn't have swayed
some black voters, said La Verne Tolbert, an author and minister
of a black church in Los Angeles who voted for Obama and
Proposition 8.
Prop 8 Lawsuits
``I am offended, and I think many African Americans are
offended, with the noble cause of civil rights being hitched to
homosexual marriage and put in the same basket,'' Tolbert said in
a telephone interview. |
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I guess Red states and the uneducated, "hard working" white morons can no longer monopolize homophobia. Can we finally admit that about every state is actually Purple at this point?
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Don't blacks make up about 10% of that vote, yet it's THEIR fault?
What are you smoking?
Enter the Age of nimbus
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just come up to Canada and get married if your gay, we'll hook ya up, we're pretty mello and could care less really.
it is 2008 after all.
I found it strange that with the election of Obama being for "change", and the new future of the USA that Cali's gay marriage thing got voted out.
not sure if that's irony, but it is pretty fuckin stupid that time is wasted on these issues nowadays.
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Yeah, I couldn't care less who marries who. Just thought it was an interesting article. I didn't make it up. : /
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There are far bigger issues in the U.S. (and the world) than this. California has just lost tons of revenue. Way to go you fucknuts!
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Why do people assume that if you don't agree with homosexual marriage that you're homophobic or uneducated? Silliness.
"Some people just want to see the world burn."
"I kick ass for the Lord!"
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nimbus wrote
Don't blacks make up about 10% of that vote, yet it's THEIR fault?
What are you smoking? |
I wonder what it's like to be you. It's almost as if you purposely read only one sentence of an article about Obama just so you can be offended and angry.
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I'm not sure why anyone would want to get married legally anyway. Probably the main reason I'm not married today is because of the legal issues it presents. I'd go get religiously married if I was religious, but the legal thing is a blight.
For instance, my girlfriend has really bad credit. If we get married, I assume her credit debt. I'm suddenly liable to law suits because our combined income is greater than hers alone.
If we divorce, she can sock me for alimony and half of everything even though I make substantially more than her, and work my ass off.
And what real benefit is there? We can equally sign papers for each other? That's the last thing I want, is her opening up charge card accounts under my name or peaking into my bank account. Do a mutual tax return?
Fill out a living Will and a regular Will for yourself and your partner. That takes care of any "Pull the Plug" moments in your future.
The benefits just aren't there. This is why more and more people are not getting married. So now we have the gay people that want to do what more and more straight people don't want to do. It's stupid.
Look at the situation with pre-nup agreements. We have to have written contracts between partners so one can't take half of the other's ass when they divorce. And they expire too.
I'd say kids are a good reason, but not really. Every school and program now supports the two parent system thanks to a massive onslaught of women since the 60's who have had children out of wedlock. There is virtually nothing you need to be married for.
In my life, the only time I get asked about it is from older people and religious people. Religious folk think you're living in sin if you live together. So they want you to get married so you don't burn in hell. But the truth is, I'd go get married at their church before God and everything if I didn't have to sign the marriage license at the end. God can join us together, and she could wear the ring, but on tax papers we're still not married. I'm fine with that, if that were allowed to happen.
And older people because they just think it's strange. Like if you live with a woman, you and here are putting on plastic devil horns and having orgy sex to heavy metal music while covered in blood.
I guess what I'm saying is, that not only do I not care if gay people get married, but I completely don't care about legal marriage at all. I think it's a stupid device that has no real benefit and causes more problems than it's worth.
Relgious marriage maybe, but legal marriage is for the birds.
K
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NutMan wrote
nimbus wrote
Don't blacks make up about 10% of that vote, yet it's THEIR fault?
What are you smoking? |
I wonder what it's like to be you. It's almost as if you purposely read only one sentence of an article about Obama just so you can be offended and angry. |
I read the entire post. The article wasn't about Obama, it was about "blacks not supporting Prop 8". I didn't know that "black people" = "Obama". Next time, read the entire article before you attempt on going on a misguided tirade. Besides, I thought Sheep was already married.
Enter the Age of nimbus
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This is getting ridiculous. Why do people even care if gays get married? Are they going to "gay it up?" Are they going to adopt an orphan who wouldn't have a home anyway? I mean, come on people. Basically, it just boils down to people being homophobic.
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Kevin J Baird wrote
Relgious marriage maybe, but legal marriage is for the birds.
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Interesting perspective, never really thought of it this way before.... Some good points there Kev.
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Kevin's post is exactly why I'm not married.
Die Zeit ist jetzt. Der Platz ist hier.
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Marriage is more than a ring and a legal document, do not let Kevin's jargon fool you. It sounds to me that he is afraid of commitment and he chooses to use finances as a cop out. Marriage is about a pronouncement of love for your spouse and having it legal tells your great nation that. Me and my wife are Mr. & Mrs. Sifuentes legally not Mr. Smith & Mrs. Johnson the pretenders.
I was in a bad place when I met my wife; smoking pot, snorting lines, trippin balls, you name it I was there. She made me want to better myself not for her but for both of us, for the family that we will one day create. Now we are both in school, trying to pay off the debt we have and scratching a living into this shaky economy. But if it was not for her and her commitment to me, I would still be nowhere in life sitting in my truck at a bar hitting some tracks and so far down in debt that I did not give a fuck. She saved me from myself and if I didn't ask this woman to marry me than I would have been the biggest douchebag on the face of the planet. I love her and she loves me and every motherfucker out there knows it.
People are not suppose to get married when they are expecting to get a divorce. And being afraid of creditors is silly because they may call a lot and make threats, but as long as you pay something they can not do a fucking thing to ya.
As for gay marriage, who gives a fuck? Aren't religious people the only folks who give a shit?
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I don't agree Mex. I don't need to put on a show for other people to love my girlfriend. The man all most always gets the shitty end of a divorce if it does not work out.
I don't know what love and legality have to do with anything. I'm sure most of the people of this "great" nation don't give a damn if I am married or not. If they do they should mind their own damn business.
Die Zeit ist jetzt. Der Platz ist hier.
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danddman wrote
This is getting ridiculous. Why do people even care if gays get married? Are they going to "gay it up?" Are they going to adopt an orphan who wouldn't have a home anyway? I mean, come on people. Basically, it just boils down to people being homophobic. |
That and the religious-right wingnuts don't like it. If someone wants to get married, let them be.
Enter the Age of nimbus
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I can see your point, not caring what other people think. It is more than that though. We didn't get married because there was some sort of benefit, that is not the reason for getting married. If that is your reason for getting married than you do not understand what marriage is.
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I'm on mex's side.
It's a thing you do as a statement of the growth of your character and your spouses and you do it for yourselves. The proclaimation to the world is just the side bit. It's all the "WE are whole" cheesy stuff thats mattered to people on a philosophiocal and emotional basis over the ages.
You guys, briging it down to a legal prospect, divorce, how much you can get screwed over and all that. There's a major trust issue from the start if you start the entire marriage concept with a cynical attitude towards it. To be ready for marriage all of that junk has to be cleared. There's never gonna be a 100% assurance. But just like the concept of love, you have to trust in yourself and her/him.
I dont live in your country, but it doesnt take a fool to understand why in America 50% of marriages end in divorce. Some people are doing it right and grow old to tell the world that they held their vows. Not getting married is not the answer to your "getting-screwed-over-divorce" problem.
Cheers.
"Everyone is judgemental, just that most are'nt honest about it... "
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Why do I need a proclamation? I am a whole person with out my girlfriend. You should not be looking for someone to complete you, you should feel complete before you find someone. This whole we are one is a bunch of crap. I don't live in fairy tale land, I live in reality. The beginning of most good relationships are great, your in love, can't wait to see each other and the sex is new. After you have been together for a while that stuff wears off then you have to work at it. I don't want to have to work at it. I have a strange relationship with my girlfriend, but it works for us. We don't need to get married and have kids to screw it all up. If marrige works for you fine. We don't need it.
Die Zeit ist jetzt. Der Platz ist hier.
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Mate, whatever is fine for you is cool. I read Ayn rand ages back so it's not like I dont believe in the whole 'Objectivism' concept and being complete in yourself.
"Everyone is judgemental, just that most are'nt honest about it... "
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