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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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Yeah you're right. It's old.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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Gabe is a piece of shit who releases half assed products that don't work and then blames other companies for Valve's faults.
Valve are con artists and nothing more.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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Lard wrote
Gabe is a piece of shit who releases half assed products that don't work and then blames other companies for Valve's faults.
Valve are con artists and nothing more.
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Yeah totally. Half life, team fortress, counterstrike, left 4 dead etc. Those are all half assed shitty products.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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Well the console versions that don't work properly are.
And Left For Dead has running zombies so it fails.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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Gabe Newell is basically right. Although he said it all wrong.
It's not that the PS3 is a bad console. It's that it's not easy to develop for. Microsoft poured a lot of time and resources into developing an architecture that is easy to develop on. That's why everybody and their Dad develops on it. Folks like SquareEnix look at the console and the tools and say, "Well shit, this is easy, we'll make games on this."
Everything comes out late on the PS3. Things take longer to develop. In many cases they can't get over the hump of the technical issues and the games are less than the 360.
It's just an architecture problem. Sure the 360 has had hardware failure issues, and it doesn't have Blu-Ray, and you have to pay for online. But it still outsells the PS3 because it's a games machine and it has more games on it. That's it.
Sony doesn't have a chance in hell of coming back. They are doomed to be in third place this generation. Because at this stage, dropping Killzone 2 when your console is still $400 is pointless when Microsoft and Nintendo have a $249 console. If Sony drops $50 off the price, Nintendo and Microsoft can go lower. Sony's components will always cost more because the PS3 has more stuff in it. So Sony will never beat them on price, never beat them on title selection.
The PS3 is a good console, but it's not a good investment to make a unique game for it. It won't pay off. Sony should consider coming out with a new console early to beat Microsoft to the punch. But it's likely that they can't afford to do that. The PS3 is the Saturn and the PSP is the Game Gear. Sony just has to hope that their next system is a Dreamcast, but a Dreamcast that people want to buy.
I'll just follow this up with the fact that I know people will buy the PS3. I know there are good games out for it, and good games coming out. And I know it has advantages over the 360 and Wii. But none of that has stopped it from being in last place, and it doesn't seem possible that will change this generation.
The writing was on the wall when the Xbox 360 was outselling the PS3 in Japan.
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It's important to remember the Dreamcast didn't fail really Sega did. They ran out of money. It by no means would have outsold the PS1 ever even if they didn't run out of cash, but the Dreamcast was a profitable machine. Just not profitable enough to save Sega.
As for the PS3 once the 360 was shown to be outselling it in Europe by a wide margin again on VGChartz I knew it was done. There numbers are by no means accurate for everything not in the top 10, but for things like this they are usually fairly accurate.
Plus once Star Ocean: The Last Hope hits the 360 will sell even more in Japan. Plus if Microsoft is smart and gets sequals to all or some of the JRPG's currently on there system as exclusives again they're a lock for doing very well against the PS3 in Japan, if not eventually beating it.
But really the strength of European PS3 sales was a huge plus for Sony. Now that Microsoft is beating them week to week there I think it is over for this generation.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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did anyone else catch the recent gamespot game graphics comparison between the 360 and ps3?
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6201700/index.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks;title;1
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What the hell are you guys talking about "over"? There will be no one leading like the PS1 or PS2, but no one is "toast". The 360 is cheaper than the Wii and came out before it, but the Wii is still kicking ass. The PS3 is expensive, but they are not getting donkey-punched like the Xbox and Gamecube did vs. the PS2, even though the Gamecube actually made money.
Yep, all hope is lost, lol.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43373.html
Enter the Age of nimbus
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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At this point I think the Wii is doing better than the PS1 and PS2 did in their historic journey. I have no facts to back that up, but I'm pretty sure there is a graphic somewhere that shows the sales comparison and the Wii has got to be doing better. Nobody else ever had the three Christmas sellout syndrome before, but Nintendo is doing it.
I'd like to think they won't maintain it, but they sprinkle some magic dust on those things so that people will continue to buy them. And they only have 1 SKU too.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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Shit like GTAIV for PC is why I don't buy from Steam. Can you return it? Nope.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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Lard wrote
Shit like GTAIV for PC is why I don't buy from Steam. Can you return it? Nope.
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Actually Valve is offering full refunds for GTA IV.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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I think that the internet is too doom and gloom. But it was probably my fault too.
I meant that the PS3 won't equal or outsell the 360. I think it's pretty clear at this point the 360 will perform overall better.
Also it's important to remember that Nintendo is a better business model. The Gamecube made Nintendo more money then the PS2 did Sony. And that's not because of sales but just business savvy on Nintendo's part. Forbes had an article on this a while back.
I don't think anyone truly hates any of the consoles. I think it comes from some gamers who just can't afford all three, or don't like some other game genres/types and love to hate on everyone who does. You got to learn to ignore those people.
As the youngest sibling in a large family it just comes naturely to me because of practice.
I'm curious what sales for games and systems will look like next year. Sony is definetly going to have to price drop or release a new SKU. Balls in there court.
Even next year all Nintendo has to do is pack in Wii Sports Resort and motion plus if sales drop and sales will shoot up again a crazy amount.
And i'm willing to be if Microsoft does anything it will just be bumping up the internal memory of the 360 from 256 to 512 or 1 GB, now that they've started putting it in there instead of packing it with a memory card.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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I can't see Microsoft bumping up the internal flash memory to anything higher. What's the point? They only need 256 MB because the NXE(technically just the avatar editor actually) requires 128 MB of free space. It's probably cheaper for them to just include flash storage than packing in a memory card.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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JamesPatrick wrote
Also it's important to remember that Nintendo is a better business model. The Gamecube made Nintendo more money then the PS2 did Sony. And that's not because of sales but just business savvy on Nintendo's part. Forbes had an article on this a while back.
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Whut?
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I don't think Nintendo made more money on the gamecube than Sony did on the PS2...I couldn't find any articles on that.
However, Sony has lost more money on the PS3 than it made on the PS2.
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What it comes from is the same thing as it is this gen. From what I remember from this article I read something like 3-4 years ago.
Basically, just like the Wii the Gamecube made money from day 1. So all total, especially with the high sales of first party games, and high attach rate on the gamecube it beat Sony and the profits it made from the PS2 by a fairly large amount.
The disk of the gamecube was proprietary so that was part of it since, like the carts before them, Nintendo made money on that. And the first party games on Gamecube that sold a million copies each year. Games like Mario Party 4-7.
From what I remember the thing that they said caused it though was that Sony lost a lot of money the first year of the PS2.
It's been a while since the article though so it might have been speculation since it's hard to seperate those GBA numbers. But either way the Gamecube made Nintendo a lot of money. That's all i'm saying.
Also I believe Nintendo took a bigger cut for license fee then Sony did for the PS2. I think this was for the disks maybe though or something. I can't remember.
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Re: Gabe Newell: PS3 is a waste of time
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Nintendo probably did make a lot of money from selling all those first party games. I think Super Smash bros. sold over 10 million copies alone.
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No. GameCube was sold at a loss. Not sure where you're getting those facts, but that's not true that they made profit on the GameCube on release. That started with the DS and then the Wii. Not the GameCube. GameCube has proprietary media that Nintendo had to get setup. They had to engineer custom chipsets with ATI and IBM. They took big hits. It's all in their quarterly reports from back then.
The GameCube also sold poorly. They didn't out profit Sony on the PS2 because the PS2 is still being sold and Sony is still making money on it. The GameCube is long dead.
The article probably was saying that Nintendo made more money per game than Sony did or something. But they didn't out profit Sony. Not by a long shot. Sony has made serious cash from PS2. Enough that the company felt compelled to invest billions in PS3.
PS2 was hugely successful.
Now, it's possible Forbes was saying that Nintendo made more money than Sony overall because Nintendo had the Game Boy Advance which sold like mad. And only until recently has the PSP done any sort of decent business for Sony. So yea, Nintendo was out profiting Sony across the board. I can believe that. But GameCube vs PS3 on profit. No chance. Sony crushes Nintendo here. Murders them dead.
But the Wii is unstoppable, and in truth it's just an enhanced GameCube. So Nintendo is getting the last laugh.
As for profit. Microsoft is profiting rather well on the 360 now. Because they get money from subscriptions, network purchases, and have the highest number of title sales. They're likely to be beating Nintendo in overall profit. However... They have a few billion of their own they need to make up for. And if you count Xbox 1 in the mix, they have a giant debt that they won't pay off this generation.
I suspect it'll be awhile before we see the next generation though. There haven't been any major advancements in the chipset industry to make it worthwhile yet for anyone to upgrade.
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