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 11/11/2008 1:28 PM
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The guy that everyone is reporting on who broke open the Nintendo DSi and speculated had a faster CPU goes on the record here that he is just guessing because something is eating the battery life.  There MAY be a faster CPU but that hasn't been proven.  Here's his quote:

"Wow…it’s amazing to see how rumors spread on the internet. I can’t overemphasize the point that my post is entirely *speculative*; attributing the reduced battery life to a faster CPU as a fact is overstating my post by quite a bit. I wrote it in a hotel room after playing around with the device for about half an hour…and also, I really doubt that the beefier speakers actually drain the power that much, since I always play with the volume lowered and they aren’t *that* much more powerful as to account for all the battery life reduction. However, I will agree that screen size is not the major contributor to battery life reduction. The DSi’s screen is 17% bigger in area than the DSlite’s screen, so to maintain the same light flux you’d only need 17% more power (this number scales quite well at small changes like this). This does not nearly account for the changes seen in battery life. See this data from

http://www.qj.net/Nintendo-DSi-hardware-specs-software-details-bigger-screen-shorter-batt-life-more/pg/49/aid/124571

Battery life (** listed by screen brightness, lowest to highest)

* DSi: 9-14 hours, 8-12, 6-9, 4-6, 3-4
* DS Lite: 15-19 hours, 10-15, 7-11, 5-8

As you can see, at the dimmest setting, the DSi gets 9-14 hours of battery life, but the DS lite gets 15-19 hours. That’s a difference of about 5.5 hours on average. At the second from brightest setting (which I’d say accounts for all the screen size increase), the battery life difference is reduced to about 1.5 hours. This indicates that while the screen is a major overall consumer of power, the majority of the battery life reduction cannot be attributed to screen size increase alone. If it were the case that the screen size increase drove power consumption, you’d see a much smaller spread in battery life differential when the screen is at its dimmest setting. So something other than the screen is eating power; a beefier CPU is a nice guess, but I can’t over-emphasize that it is, nonetheless, entirely a guess."


Kevin back here again:

  The thing about increased amperage in battery use is that the batteries go dead faster exponentially.  You ever see things like Energizer's Lithium battery and it says on the package, "Lasts longer in high drain devices."  Or similar text on different battery packs.  Where Duracell has an ad out now that says their regular copper top "Works just as long, but cheaper, in 90% of devices."  Because most devices use a sustained low power draw, and some devices (Like digital cameras with a flash) use a higher amp draw.

  Thus, if the screens require more power, they can cause the batteries to deflate faster than the math of 17% bigger screen = 17% bigger battery drain.  The math doesn't work that way.

  Another way to think about is like this.  Lets say you have a bathtub full of water.  You put a hole in it 1" deep.  The water runs out of the bath tub over time, and it takes 1 hour to drain the tub completely.  That hole is like how much power you need.  The size of the hole is volts, and the speed at which the water comes out of the hole is amps.

  Now you need more amps to drive the larger screen.  So you create a bigger hole.  The larger hole gives you more amps, but it also increases the speed of the flow!  So you run out quicker.

  Anyway, I hope that makes some sense.  The dude may be right that there is a faster CPU, but I kinda doubt it.  Nintendo would come out and pimp it.  Why would they hide that fact?  No idea.  It's possible, but not likely.  Battery life is probably connected to the screen size and maybe internal changes to the battery and Wifi features.

  I just hope it supports WPA now and not just WEP.

K
 
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 11/11/2008 7:10 PM
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I guess they are saving the "real" successor for another year.

Enter the Age of nimbus
 
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 11/12/2008 8:55 PM
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Wow, you really enjoy talking batteries, don't you Kev.


BTW, both my PS3 controllers I got on launch day still work fine, almost a whole year after they were supposed to crap out.

I'm contacting Guiness World Records here shortly... :)
 
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 11/12/2008 9:29 PM
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I've heard 4-5 years for Ps3 controller batteries..
 
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 11/12/2008 9:44 PM
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I'm just teasing Kev. He was adamant the batteries would be dead after a year.
 
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 11/12/2008 10:00 PM
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Actually I said they'd lose 10% of their juice in a year, and would crap out quickly after that.  But whatever.  I hate the PS3 controller I have now because I'll be playing something like Unleashed on the couch and it'll start saying "The battery is about to die, please plug it in."  And I gotta go sit on the floor because the stupid USB cord doesn't reach.  I'd of preferred to be able to swap the batteries than have to plug it in all the time.  I suppose I'll buy another controller and just swap controllers next time.  Although I don't even know if that'll work since the other controller will still be Player 1 and everything.  Sigh.
 
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 11/12/2008 10:05 PM
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 Kevin J Baird wrote
Actually I said they'd lose 10% of their juice in a year, and would crap out quickly after that.  But whatever.  I hate the PS3 controller I have now because I'll be playing something like Unleashed on the couch and it'll start saying "The battery is about to die, please plug it in."  And I gotta go sit on the floor because the stupid USB cord doesn't reach.  I'd of preferred to be able to swap the batteries than have to plug it in all the time.  I suppose I'll buy another controller and just swap controllers next time.  Although I don't even know if that'll work since the other controller will still be Player 1 and everything.  Sigh.


You can hit the PS button and reassign controller numbers.
 
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 11/13/2008 3:01 PM
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Cool, thanks, that'll help.  I got COD World at War for the PS3 and figured Donn and I can do some co-op so I gotta pick up an extra controller anyway. 
 
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 11/13/2008 11:51 PM
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Yeah, after playing with only a Wii for a year I thought that all wireless game controllers went through batteries like crazy. Then I got my 360. I think in the first 2 1/2 months of having it I have used it more than my wii and haven't completely used up any batteries.
 
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 11/14/2008 7:54 AM
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Gamepro's battery life tests:
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6765/15914831gd4.jpg
 
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 11/14/2008 11:30 AM
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Re: DSi Faster CPU? Maybe not
 
It's like, if you have a fully charged PS3 controller, it's no big deal.  Last all night.  Problem is, like most people, I don't plug in the controller when I'm done.  So eventually it is dead and then I'm sitting on the floor like a 12 year old in front of the TV.  I'm gonna go buy another controller this weekend.  At the very least, Sony should have made it so I can swap out the rechargable battery pack without using a screwdriver.
 
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