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 9/6/2008 10:27 AM
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Why the world WON'T end on September 10

Hurray for the European Court of Human Rights. It has rejected an emergency injunction to block the Large Hadron Collider from turning on on 10 September. It's the latest legal case brought against the LHC by scientists who fear that the world's largest particle accelerator will produce fearsome entities that could destroy the Earth.

I'm thrilled that the ECHR has understood the science and has given the LHC the green light. Because let's get something straight: the world is not going to end on 10 September.

Here's why. Next week physicists will attempt to send a beam of protons all the way round the LHC's 27-kilometre ring for the very first time. What they won't do is accelerate the beam to its design energy of 7 teraelectronvolts (TeV). And unless the tests are very, very successful, they won't be smashing protons head on either.

Instead, a lone beam of protons will make its way round with just 450 gigelectronvolts of energy. The only collisions that could happen is if the beam smashes into one of the very few air molecules that haven't been sucked out of the ring, which has a vacuum 10 times better than on the moon.

Supposing this does happen, the collision energy will be a paltry 30 gigaelectronvolts (30 GeV). That's a far cry from the 14 TeV collision energy that the LHC will produce when it is running at full speed. You simply can't make much in the way of heavy, exotic particles with just 30 GeV of energy. No top quarks, no W or Z particles, no Higgs bosons. And that's just the regular stuff: there certainly is not enough energy to make mini black holes, strangelets, magnetic monopoles or anything else exotic that critics purport could destroy the Earth.

OK, so we have a reprieve of a few months until physicists finish their tests and start creating collisions with 14 TeV of energy. What will happen then? This is uncharted territory for particle accelerators. And the trouble with venturing into the unknown is that you don???t know what will be there. This is what excites physicists and, perhaps understandably, is grist for the mill for doom-mongers.

Theorists have speculated about all manner of things popping into existence, including the infamous mini black holes. Critics claim that these will grow uncontrollably as they suck in matter, eventually gobbling everything in their path. One such opponent is Otto R??ssler, a theoretical chemist at the University of T??bingen in Germany, and one of the plaintiffs in the ECHR case. He claims that in the worst case, the Earth could be eaten by a mini black hole in 50 months.

Really, I don't think so. I admit I have a hard time believing theorists' usual line that Stephen Hawking will save us. Hawking's most famous research shows that black holes - the giant ones we see in space - slowly evaporate due to a process called Hawking radiation. Being much smaller, mini black holes should evaporate within microseconds. Trouble is, no one has seen Hawking radiation. So why should I put humanity's hopes in a theoretical physicist?

No, for me, there is a much more compelling argument why the LHC won't destroy the world. And it doesn't rely on theoretical flights of fancy. Whatever the LHC churns up out of all the collision energy, we've been there before. Cosmic rays from outer space are raining down on us all the time and they can reach truly staggering energies. You can get the same collision energy as the LHC from a 108-GeV cosmic ray slamming into the atmosphere. And there are plenty of cosmic rays with such energies.

Cosmic ray experiments all over the world - experiments that have nothing to do with the CERN laboratory where the LHC is based - have found that about 10-14 rays with energy greater than the LHC strike each square centimetre of Earth every second. That might not sound like much. But over the Earth???s 4.5 billion year lifetime, that makes 1022 collisions or 100,000 times more than the LHC will ever produce. Obviously, in that time no mini black holes, vacuum bubbles, killer strangelets or any other weird effects have eaten the planet.

Not convinced? Scale the cosmic ray sums up to cover the 100 billion stars in the Milky Way and the 100 billion galaxies in the visible universe and you find that nature has already made the equivalent of 1031 LHCs. Or if you like, 10 trillion LHCs are running every second. And we're still here.

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 9/6/2008 9:35 PM
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There are no sunspots!
 
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 9/7/2008 4:25 AM
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*sigh*.......guess I'll have to take out the crowbar again......

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 9/7/2008 1:20 PM
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@DeuS: lol

i'm always shocked when people believe in pseudosciences. look at how many people are scared of irradiating foods as a measure to make them safer.

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 9/10/2008 12:27 AM
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Modified By NutMan  on 9/9/2008 11:29:22 PM
 
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 9/10/2008 4:08 PM
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I watched ealy this morning before gong to bed on a live stream of skynews.... between 3am and 4am...
it was kinda boreing, a bunch of guys standing around a shit load of monitors.... i think they shot 2 beams... the first they dumped cause it wasnt what they wanted or up to the standards that they set. the seccond they let it go one revolution. i think they may have done other things after that, but i was too tired to watch.

i wish CERNs live stream was working, as skynews's comentary didnt help that much... woulda liked to hear comentary dirrect from CERN.

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 9/10/2008 4:17 PM
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No Sunspots!  Christ, the planet is headed towards an ice-age.  It's gonna be a cold ass winter.  No wonder summer was so shitty.  The arctic has the second lowest amount of sea-ice on record.  You know when there was the least?  Last year.  That means sea ice is INCREASING!!!  AHHHH!!!  Global Cooling... 

No sunspots = cold planet.  If this goes on too long we'll be under ice.  For reals.  Time to fire nuclear rockets at the sun!
 
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 9/10/2008 5:52 PM
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ice age? i hate the summer anyways... so i look forward to colder days and nights... and the prospect of skating and crap sound rather nice..... lmao

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 9/10/2008 9:38 PM
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Where do you live?  Because if you like shitty weather you should come to Cleveland, you'll be right at home here.  Statistically the area bordering the great lakes like Cleveland and the corner of Washington State get the least amount of sunshine a year.

Seriously, it's like a World War II movie where the sky is gray and bombed out looking.  All winter long we have cloud cover.  The sky matches the ground color.  Gray and dismal.

I hate it.  California has the best weather.  Los Angeles and San Diego are the best.  I've been to a lot of places and the warmth mixed with low humidity cannot be beat. 
 
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 9/10/2008 10:08 PM
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Modified By bigdog21  on 9/10/2008 9:09:52 PM
Fuck California and it's overrated weather and cheery heathens. I want apathetic shit weather that give cities high suicide rates. Hopefully I can work for Valve one day.

 
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 9/11/2008 12:39 AM
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Where is Valve?  I have no idea.  But it doesn't rain there in the summer man.  You know how great that is?  I'll tell you.  You can make plans to do something outside, and it won't get rained out.  That's great.  Everyday...  It's a nice day.  The damn schools don't even have hallways.  Warren didn't even have hallways.  I was walking around and thinking, "This is the most fucked up shit I've ever seen."  You can ride a motorcycle year round.  You don't ever have to buy snow tires.  You don't ever have to worry about somebody coming on the TV and saying, "The road is closed.  You cannot leave your house."   You don't have pipes that burst for no reason. 

Sure, you get Earthquakes, but I tell you they are overated.  I've been in a few earthquakes.  No big deal.  You should try sitting in your house when the air-raid siren is gonig off and they are telling you a tornado is headed your way.   Anytime it even lightly drizzles, they come on with FLASH FLOOD warnings around here.  You ever seen a sewer get too much water in it and overflow the whole fucking block?  You get that here.   Ever seen your local water supply create a giant sinkhole and trap cars in it because it froze and got busted up during the workday?  You get that here. 

We don't have forest fires or mudslides.  But we do get cars that don't start because they are frozen.  And roads that are covered with a sheen of ice so you do a 360 once or twice before making it to work. 

It's so fucking horrible here, weather-wise, I can't even tell you.  There's a reason Cleveland's population continues to go down, and it's not because it's sunny and warm.

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 9/11/2008 4:39 PM
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Denver averages 300 days of sunshine every year. The temps are measured in the shade, so it usually feels about 20 degrees hotter than the forecast on a sunny day. We've only got about 3 weeks of 95+ temps (dry heat, though) in the summer, and maybe 4 weeks of actual winter, although it's usually punctuated with 65-degree days here and there.

If you're into that bright happy sunshiney outdoorsey kind of life, this is the best place I've ever seen for it. Unfortunately, I'm not one of those types, and would prefer to live in a damp mossy cave.
 
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 9/11/2008 5:06 PM
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If this company I work at ever goes belly up.  The Denver area is high on my move-to-list.  I know about your sunshine containing ways.  I'm just somewhat negative on the idea of the various critters that lurk around that, each designed to kill a man with as little effort as possible.

 
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 9/13/2008 6:53 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/2796536/Large-Hadron-Collider-fears-prompted-Indian-suicide.html

sigh, a teenage girl in india has killed herself over fears that the LHC would destroy the world. we need more science education to stop this from happening :P

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Kevin J Baird At:3:51 PM

Well if you like the Rangers, their AHL team "The Hartford Wolf Pack" crushed the Monsters yesterday.

Master_H At:2:40 PM

Go Rangers

Lard At:10:49 PM

Only by one point - and Ottawa has more losses. They're doing worse than the Maple Leafs! That's shameful!

Kevin J Baird At:10:45 PM

Ottawa is doing better than Colorado though, so don't feel too bad.

Lard At:10:32 PM

I'm embarassed to be an Ottawa fan. They are sucking hard.

Kevin J Baird At:10:31 PM

Well cool, but I can't think of a hockey question right now either.

Lard At:10:29 PM

I watch hockey! NFL sucks balls!

Jedihillis At:10:26 PM

I can't wait to hear this episode. Sounds pretty funny.

Lard At:10:22 PM

Lots of highlights from this show for next year!